anti-racist story continues

Brent Finnegan -- December 12th, 2007

If you check the DNR today, you’ll find that the anti-racists and white supremacists have made their way back into the headlines. As was mentioned in the comments of the previous hburgnews story, the Little Grill show was canceled, due to “vague threats” from white supremacists. ARAH has said anti-racists will be gathering on Court Square this Friday at 4pm, in lieu of the show.

hburgnews is also mentioned in today’s DNR story.

25 Responses to “anti-racist story continues”

  1. danno says:

    One thing is for certain.. even if we can’t all agree on the way they confronted these people, the ARAH has done a pretty successful job of bringing everybody’s attention to their cause.

  2. finnegan says:

    Yes. I would say so.

  3. Bubby says:

    Who are our newly discovered neo-nazi neighbors?

  4. finnegan says:

    I don’t know, Bubby. The user/commenter that calls himself Draegn88 is apparently from H’burg.

    As far as I can tell, VNN user Draegn88 is not associated with the Stormfront user formerly known as danerebor1. danerebor1 is allegedly one of the white power guys ARAH confronted at B&N. It seems to me these are two entirely different groups/associations of racists.

  5. Sam says:

    I think a lot of people would be suprised at how fragmented the White Supremacist/ Seperatist movement is in this country. Bill White in particular is a controversial figure because he rents to African American tenants.

    Also, the show has been rescheduled for Jan 17th.

  6. finnegan says:


    Is that “official?”

  7. Anti-RacISM Action says:

    “I think a lot of people would be suprised at how fragmented the White Supremacist/ Seperatist movement is in this country.”

    I think most people wouldn’t be and aren’t surprised by how fragmented every movement in this country is. For a clear example: the church; catholic, baptist, southern baptist, presbyterian, methodist, episcopal, unitarian, congregational, etc, etc, etc. I’m sure even the anarchist movement is made up of several slightly or greatly varying factions. I know the anti-racism movement is. People love to bicker over miniscule things. This is one of the main things that impedes any real progress from being accomplished. If we all just came together and pushed aside our own underlying agendas, said we’re against racism/for equality, and didn’t feel the need to separate ourselves by giving ourselves names like the ARA then we would be a much more effective and united front. Why can’t we just be a community that supports equality, and not a community made up of different factions that each support what they consider to be equality, of which differentiates mostly on minor discrepancies? The goal is the same! I don’t think the word equal has much room for interpretation (equal equals equal; not not equal or more or less equal). Most everyone agrees racism is bad so lets shout it from the rooftops as equal members of this community and this world, not as the mouthpieces of an organization.

  8. Anti-Racist Action Harrisonburg says:

    I just wanted to put out there that the ARA has four simple ‘points of unity’ which I’ve included below. If you find the four points aggreable that is all that is needed to be a part of the ARA…

    We do have a new – and much larger – venue and date for the fundraising show and will be formaly announcing that information this Friday on Court Square. We hope that everyone who has been chatting online comes out this Friday. Maybe we can all meet and talk together to find the best way forward in helping everyone address racism in the Harrisonburg area.

    ARA points of unity from

    1) We go where they go: Whenever fascists are organizing or active in public, we’re there. We don’t believe in ignoring them or staying away from them. Never let the nazis have the street!

    2) We don’t rely on the cops or courts to do our work for us: This doesn’t mean we never go to court. But we must rely on ourselves to protect ourselves and stop the fascists.

    3) Non-Sectarian defense of other Anti-Fascists: In ARA, we have lots of different groups and individuals. We don’t agree about everything and we have a right to differ openly. But in this movement an attack on one is an attack on us all. We stand behind each other.

    4) We support abortion rights and reproductive freedom. ARA intends to do the hard work necessary to build a broad, strong movement against racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, discrimination against the disabled, the oldest, the youngest and the most oppressed people. We want a classless society. WE INTEND TO WIN!

  9. m says:

    Nope. Sorry, ARA, I don’t support your agenda. The way you state your objectives makes it sound like you would not be above using violence, and that makes you absolutely no better than THEM.

    The way we defeat racism is not by acting like a bunch of raging facists, which is what you did. We defeat racism through education and building relationships.

  10. Gxeremio says:

    Whaaa? I can see why they put the four points in that order. If they were reversed you’d lose a lot of readers right away.

    On point one I was nodding yes.

    On point two I arched an eyebrow. What are they trying to say?

    On point three I felt confused. Is the world so clearly divided into fascists and anti-fascists that we can pledge to “stand behind” all the enemies of our enemies? When is this a practical and moral rule?

    And on point four I wrinkled my nose. Seriously, other than the idea of eugenics what do abortion rights and reproductive freedom have to do with anti-racist action? There’s a really interesting comment thread on the topic of abortion today in the DNR, by the way.

  11. James says:

    I just want to say that the violence issue is incredibly loaded – what would you do if you were attacked by someone on the street simply for your race, appearance (alternative style) or any other reason really… Do you swear off using violence in this situation? Would you just let yourself get attacked and not defend yourself? To simply denounce violence is pointless… The only true option in those scenarios if you are 100% against violence is to simply get beaten and never call the police or anyone else for help since then all you are doing is asking someone else (especially if you call the police) to enact the violence that you have sworn off of… Doesn’t make the situation ‘non-violent’ just makes someone else carry it out…

    Nobody acted like a ‘bunch of raging facists’. I think everyone here is forgetting that all that happened was that a group of nazis where called out for having a networking meeting. Nobody else on these associated threads has been able to suggest a better alternative when dealing with people who consider themselves white supremacists/nazis… Don’t forget that Hitler came to power through legal means… Just because in the beginning they were simply sitting around and talking and not physically hurting anyone doesn’t mean that they should have been ignored… If they had faced serious community wide opposition from the beginning then the world history may be very different right now… Granted it’s not that simple but Hitler and the nazis didn’t magically appear in the world as this massive force that could only be fought back through a world war… They were small at one point…

    And since people may be interpretting some of the points incorrectly:
    1- don’t turn a blind eye to fascist organizing – even if they are simply meeting in a bookstore
    2- be ready to defend yourselves and don’t expect the government to step in to stop fascists – when they’re involved in legal or illegal activities
    3- obviously this one isn’t carried out blindly – but it does address the point that has already been raised here which is if you have minor differences in theory that doesn’t mean that you shouldn’t be defending each other! this is to address all of the issues around sectarian differences
    4- this is to support an equal society and to acknowledge that the far right which often overlaps with racists and fascists are also the people attacking abortion clinics and the ARA has found itself defending those clinics in the past and so this is an important point – and to point out that discrimination of all types will not be tolerated and that much discrimination comes from classes in society, the ever common rallying cry of “they’re taking our jobs” which has been used against everyone from blacks throughout this country’s history (up to and including the present day) to a reason behind the attacks on immigrants and it was used well by the nazis as they pegged the jewish community with being responsible for the country’s economic state at the time…. Equality in every sense from race to sexual to economic relations is important in achieving a fair and equal society.

  12. Draegn88 says:

    I found VNN after taking an interest in the murders of Channon Christian and Christopher Newsom. I found that I agree with many others there as well. I quite enjoy VNN. It’s very nice.

    Questions for the ara; your agenda includes this:

    4) We support abortion rights and reproductive freedom. ARA intends to do the hard work necessary to build a broad, strong movement against racism, sexism, anti-Semitism, homophobia, discrimination against the disabled, the oldest, the youngest and the most oppressed people. We want a classless society. WE INTEND TO WIN!

    Does this include anti-minute men? anti-secure the borders? anti-amnesty for illegal aliens? anti-wealthy? and anti-white?

    Does your classless society mean that everyone who has earned a college degree should dumb themselves down and dig ditches? That people should not strive to achieve goals and better themselves?

    Every video that I have seen of the ara shows your friends, supporting criminals, attacking the police, destroying private property. It’s on the internet, check it out.

  13. Commie Redneck says:

    I like how Draegn88 rants on VNN about “Jew-lovers” and then comes here and pretends to be a moderate Republican. Because Nazis never support criminals, destroy private property, or attack the police.

    I also like how the DNR chose to omit the second part of ANSWP Commander’s “crackhead” quote: “what to do when the n[*****] scum they claim to protect have been paid to smash up their show?”

  14. m says:

    I’m sorry, but I happen to believe in freedom of speech for everyone. Even if I hate what they say. You apparently think only people who agree with you have the right to assemble peacefully and the right to free speech – which makes you a facist.

    Besides three men having a sit down in Barnes and Noble, three others entered the store in ski masks terrifying staff and customers alike who thought that an armed robbery was about to take place. The fact that they didn’t like the ideology of three people in the store did not give them the right to terrorize the dozens of other people who were there at the time.

  15. finnegan says:


    This has been mentioned before, but no one was wearing ski masks. I was sitting in the courtroom when they went before the judge, and the cop never said anything about ski masks. ARA has stated no masks were used. Some of them wrapped their faces in scarves.

    I agree with you about the freedom of speech. As I’ve said here before, when it comes to the issues of racism and the First Amendment, I have to agree with the ACLU when they supported the KKK’s right to march in Cleveland, and with Noam Chomsky when he defended French author Robert Faurisson’s right to deny the Holocaust. I believe you can’t limit the freedom of speech to certain ideologies.

  16. MF says:


    If you ask people that were at B&N when this incident happened I don’t think any of them would say they were terrorized.

    If everyone has the right to freedom of speech, doesn’t that include ARA? Because they wore scarfs their freedom of speech doesn’t count?

    I just don’t see how you can use the freedom of speech argument to defend the supposed nazi’s and bash the ARA. They were both exercising their freedom of speech.

  17. Bryan says:


    If a frog had wings, he wouldn’t bust his ass a-hoppin’

  18. Draegn88 says:

    Commie Redneck,

    On VNN several of the long time members have refered to me as being a good flag waving republican. Since you read VNN so much I’m surprised that you missed it. However, VNN has it’s rules, and this forum has it’s rules. They’re not quite the same.

    As for the scarves:

    § 18.2-422. Prohibition of wearing of masks in certain places; exceptions.

    It shall be unlawful for any person over sixteen years of age while wearing any mask, hood or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer, to be or appear in any public place, or upon any private property in this Commonwealth without first having obtained from the owner or tenant thereof consent to do so in writing. However, the provisions of this section shall not apply to persons (i) wearing traditional holiday costumes; (ii) engaged in professions, trades, employment or other activities and wearing protective masks which are deemed necessary for the physical safety of the wearer or other persons; (iii) engaged in any bona fide theatrical production or masquerade ball; or (iv) wearing a mask, hood or other device for bona fide medical reasons upon the advice of a licensed physician or osteopath and carrying on his person an affidavit from the physician or osteopath specifying the medical necessity for wearing the device and the date on which the wearing of the device will no longer be necessary and providing a brief description of the device. The violation of any provisions of this section shall constitute a Class 6 felony.

    (Code 1950, §§ 18.1-364, 18.1-367; 1960, c. 358; 1975, cc. 14, 15; 1986, c. 19.)

    Please note this excerpt:

    “…or other device whereby a substantial portion of the face is hidden or covered so as to conceal the identity of the wearer…”

    I am afraid that the scarves must have fallen under this section. Oddly, I recall it having been rather warm in October. Where the scarves really necessary for the outdoor weather? If so, why were the scarves let in place inside B&N, which I do believe is climate controlled?

    Did the ara want to assault a group of people and remain anonymous? Isn’t that just like the strange way that mailboxes get smashed in from time to time?

  19. m says:

    Actually, I did speak to some people at Barnes and Noble and they were badly frightened. Today, they’re charing into Barnes and Noble and scaring staff and customers. Five years from now, they’ll be blowing up churches that say abortion and homosexuality are wrong. Read James’ comment and the ARA’s belief statement. They think violence is justified in furthering their agenda. They and that idiot down in Roanoke (who needs to go to jail for threatening Little Grill) are just two sides of the same Reichmark.

  20. finnegan says:


    That’s a slippery slope argument. I don’t think it holds any water. By the same rhetorical token, someone can say, “By not confronting white power activists, in 5 years, all minorities will be banished from the country.”

  21. m says:

    Did I say that white supremacists shouldn’t be confronted? I just think that it needs to be done through education, relationship building, legal means, and non-terroristic tactics like what was used by the ARA.

    Note the fact that there were only three of these supposed white supremacists at the meeting. Sixty years ago those numbers would have been a lot bigger. Could the fact that there were only three be an indication that the non-terroristic means being used by other groups are working?

  22. Draegn88 says:

    No comments from the ara? Here’s a comment from someone who has more experience with them than I do.

    Originally Posted by Christopher Drake
    They are all walking contradictions. First off, the antifa, the only ones who semi-consistently support them in actual activism, are anti-government. They rely more on the cops than the average person ever thought about doing. You can think what you want to about the anti-white side, but you can’t say they are the thinking side. Let’s take a look:

    The only hook they ever seem to have is the emotional one. You take a crowd of women and boys raised by women, its an obvious route for them to take. They write tear jerking articles focussing on the criminal element of white nationalism. Out of the millions of people into white nationalism, a small…small percentage of them commit crimes and aren’t model citizens. Keep that in mind. They pour page after page into reporting on Johnny Skinhead who stabbed somebody. BUT if you point out that blacks are responsible for a THIRD of the crime in this country, they go buck wild crazy.

    They are supposed to be anti-capitalist. Thats why they attempt to hold the door for millions of illegals that slave away for $2 an hour. Capitalist make billions off whatever drags itself across the southern border and stand to make billions and billions more should the border disappear.

    They are supposed to organize based on class, not race. Everything is based on class to them, even though your class can change overnight. In fact, most of them seem to think they are part of some lower class, even though they aren’t completly weened from their millionare parents. At a speech I gave, I brought up the fact that most of the antifa in the crowd was from 6-digit households. They all got silent except one. Yes, it was the non-white mascot they had brought along.

    They, no matter how BS the charges, dance around any of our guys who get locked up. Remember, the government is a terrible and evil thing but a good thing when its going after white people.

    I could go on all day. Here’s an experiment for you to try at home too! Ask any of them, from most intellectual to the most backed, how anything they stand for benefits white people in the least. Simple question.

  23. finnegan says:

    Forgot to mention — I discussed this story with Chris Graham on the Dec 12th edition of the AFP podcast.

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