Comments on: no state money for Port http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/ Harrisonburg's Community News Network Sat, 20 Mar 2010 02:07:11 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.2 hourly 1 By: $10 Million For Port Expansion | hburgnews.com http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-93660 $10 Million For Port Expansion | hburgnews.com Fri, 22 Jan 2010 14:47:59 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-93660 [...] as much as the budget awarded by the CTB yesterday. At that time, local politicians said there was no money in the state budget for road expansion near [...] [...] as much as the budget awarded by the CTB yesterday. At that time, local politicians said there was no money in the state budget for road expansion near [...]

]]> By: hburgnews.com » special transportation session fails http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-40614 hburgnews.com » special transportation session fails Thu, 10 Jul 2008 14:44:06 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-40614 [...] In other words, Harrisonburg/Rockingham isn’t the only locality that got nothing. [...] [...] In other words, Harrisonburg/Rockingham isn’t the only locality that got nothing. [...]

]]> By: hburgnews.com » Balkanization of VA roads? http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-33320 hburgnews.com » Balkanization of VA roads? Mon, 05 May 2008 14:06:58 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-33320 [...] and Hampton Roads areas. Right now, I’m seeing very little about Valley roads, let alone Port Republic Road. Guess we’ll have to wait and see what money (if any) will be allotted to local [...] [...] and Hampton Roads areas. Right now, I’m seeing very little about Valley roads, let alone Port Republic Road. Guess we’ll have to wait and see what money (if any) will be allotted to local [...]

]]> By: Seth http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-33150 Seth Fri, 02 May 2008 14:17:02 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-33150 "Try going from downtown to Massanutten along Rt. 33 between 5 and 6 pm. It will take you an hour to do it nowadays. " go out old furnace until it connects with indian trail. that connects where cross keys rd comes into 33. won't get you all the way to massanutten but it will replace some of the heaviest traffic through town with a less time consuming, more serene drive through the country. for those of us who avoid the ill-conceived parts, i think hburg will continue to be a nice place to live. “Try going from downtown to Massanutten along Rt. 33 between 5 and 6 pm. It will take you an hour to do it nowadays. ”

go out old furnace until it connects with indian trail. that connects where cross keys rd comes into 33. won’t get you all the way to massanutten but it will replace some of the heaviest traffic through town with a less time consuming, more serene drive through the country. for those of us who avoid the ill-conceived parts, i think hburg will continue to be a nice place to live.

]]> By: JW http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-33146 JW Fri, 02 May 2008 13:25:13 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-33146 If growth continues in and around the city like it has in the past, Harrisonburg will not remain a nice place to live. The city on the east side of 81 has morphed into a mass of poorly planned, ill-conceived, clusterf*** of unbridled "development". Besides the arduous burden of the cities poorly planned traffic engineering, you now have to contend with a huge influx of people going to the most agregiously conceived and implemented strip mall in the area. If people really want nightmare traffic ala NOVA, well they are going to get it. Try going from downtown to Massanutten along Rt. 33 between 5 and 6 pm. It will take you an hour to do it nowadays. The county has already laid out it's plans for development here: http://www.rockinghamcountyva.gov/showpage.aspx?PageID=237 Of course.. they have a habit of changing them as well. If growth continues in and around the city like it has in the past, Harrisonburg will not remain a nice place to live. The city on the east side of 81 has morphed into a mass of poorly planned, ill-conceived, clusterf*** of unbridled “development”. Besides the arduous burden of the cities poorly planned traffic engineering, you now have to contend with a huge influx of people going to the most agregiously conceived and implemented strip mall in the area.

If people really want nightmare traffic ala NOVA, well they are going to get it. Try going from downtown to Massanutten along Rt. 33 between 5 and 6 pm. It will take you an hour to do it nowadays.

The county has already laid out it’s plans for development here:
http://www.rockinghamcountyva.gov/showpage.aspx?PageID=237

Of course.. they have a habit of changing them as well.

]]> By: Tad Williams http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-33143 Tad Williams Fri, 02 May 2008 13:16:01 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-33143 >I guess the unfettered market takes care of that, to the extent that if the builder has those costs to recoup, and would have to pass them on to the buyer, and the market wouldn’t sustain the resulting sales prices, then the builder would decide not to pursue that project? Exactly. Cheap/affordable housing is certainly desirable for the individual (me included), but is neither a constitional right or god given right. >I guess the unfettered market takes care of that, to the extent that if the builder has those costs to recoup, and would have to pass them on to the buyer, and the market wouldn’t sustain the resulting sales prices, then the builder would decide not to pursue that project?

Exactly. Cheap/affordable housing is certainly desirable for the individual (me included), but is neither a constitional right or god given right.

]]> By: Scott Rogers http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-33140 Scott Rogers Fri, 02 May 2008 12:41:07 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-33140 Josh -- I suspected throwing that in there might cause some unrest! :). > the market will settle on a given product distribution and price that is beneficial to members of that community. Tad -- I agree completely with this thought. > I am actually in favor of unfettered growth with the caveat being that all development must pay for itself. Tad -- how do we reconcile this idea with the reality that the builder is just going to build those costs into the home, and thus pass it on to the buyer? I guess the unfettered market takes care of that, to the extent that if the builder has those costs to recoup, and would have to pass them on to the buyer, and the market wouldn't sustain the resulting sales prices, then the builder would decide not to pursue that project? Josh — I suspected throwing that in there might cause some unrest! :).

> the market will settle on a given product distribution and price that is beneficial to members of that community.

Tad — I agree completely with this thought.

> I am actually in favor of unfettered growth with the caveat being that all development must pay for itself.

Tad — how do we reconcile this idea with the reality that the builder is just going to build those costs into the home, and thus pass it on to the buyer? I guess the unfettered market takes care of that, to the extent that if the builder has those costs to recoup, and would have to pass them on to the buyer, and the market wouldn’t sustain the resulting sales prices, then the builder would decide not to pursue that project?

]]> By: Josh http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-33139 Josh Fri, 02 May 2008 12:33:52 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-33139 Be sure to checkout Scott's "Is Growth Good Or Evil?" blog post, which already has one comment: http://www.scottprogers.com/blog/archives/2008/05/is-growth-good-or-evil_1209697745/index.php?f=1 I think a lot of people would disagree with that "Harrisonburg and Rockingham County will not continue to be desirable places to live UNLESS growth occurs" conclusion. :-) Be sure to checkout Scott’s “Is Growth Good Or Evil?” blog post, which already has one comment:

http://www.scottprogers.com/blog/archives/2008/05/is-growth-good-or-evil_1209697745/index.php?f=1

I think a lot of people would disagree with that “Harrisonburg and Rockingham County will not continue to be desirable places to live UNLESS growth occurs” conclusion. :-)

]]> By: Tad Williams http://hburgnews.com/2008/04/30/no-state-money-for-port/comment-page-1/#comment-33138 Tad Williams Fri, 02 May 2008 12:27:22 +0000 http://hburgnews.com/?p=886#comment-33138 The invisible hand is merely a reference to Adam Smith's observation that if all consumers are free to choose what they want to buy while producers are free to chose what to produce then they market will settle on a given product distribution and price that is beneficial to members of that community. I am actually in favor of unfettered growth with the caveat being that all development must pay for itself. If they true cost of installing water and sewer for a house/townhouse is $20,000 then the developer/homeowner should pay the full cost. If building a house means an additional $5,000 in school expenditures then the developer/howeowner should pay the fulll cost on top of whatever long term costs are associated with that activity in this case building residential housing. The invisible hand is merely a reference to Adam Smith’s observation that if all consumers are free to choose what they want to buy while producers are free to chose what to produce then they market will settle on a given product distribution and price that is beneficial to members of that community.

I am actually in favor of unfettered growth with the caveat being that all development must pay for itself. If they true cost of installing water and sewer for a house/townhouse is $20,000 then the developer/homeowner should pay the full cost. If building a house means an additional $5,000 in school expenditures then the developer/howeowner should pay the fulll cost on top of whatever long term costs are associated with that activity in this case building residential housing.

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