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By: Reactions to Free Clinic Decision | hburgnews.com

Reactions to Free Clinic Decision | hburgnews.com — Thu, 18 Feb 2010 02:30:57 +0000

[...] talked to several people about the decision to eliminate Free Clinic services for undocumented patients. Here are some of the [...]

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By: hburgnews.com » HburgNews - 2008 in Review

hburgnews.com » HburgNews - 2008 in Review — Wed, 31 Dec 2008 07:22:48 +0000

[...] notable downtown stories this year included the Harrisonburg Free Clinic requiring citizen documentation from patients and reactions to that decision, and local success-story Rosetta Stone (creators of the famous [...]

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By: JGFitzgerald

JGFitzgerald — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:13:26 +0000

I think DraegnHH just answered “true or false” with “fourteen.” Irrelevant, with just a hint of ad hominem dismissiveness. A typical bouquet.

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By: Draegn88

Draegn88 — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 22:01:37 +0000

Brooke, I had a lengthly response for you, however, you are not worth it.

Jeremy, somehow I imagine that you would not care for Lou Dobbs and CNN. However, I did come across this interesting page.

http://www.houstonpress.com/2007-11-15/culture/ask-a-mexican/

The loco-est part of this mess is that both Cosman and her parakeet Dobbs have their figures relatively right: According to the California Hospital Association, 82 hospitals in the Golden State folded from 1996 to 2006. But in an August interview with New England Journal of Medicine contributing editor Susan Okie, M.D., CHA vice president of external affairs Jan Emerson noted, “It would not be fair to place the blame solely on undocumented immigrants, but certainly, they are a contributing factor.” Okie’s article also revealed that illegals make up only about 20 percent of the country’s residents who lack medical insurance, and about 10 percent of the “uncompensated care in California hospitals” — 10 percent too much, sí, but hardly the invasion the now-dead Cosman and Dobbs want Americans to believe. Strangely, Dobbs has yet to mention Okie’s article

http://www.dallasobserver.com/2007-11-15/news/ask-a-mexican/ (same thing printed in a different paper)

http://www.phxnews.com/fullstory.php?article=21492

^^ from a US Senator

http://acertainslantoflight.net/?p=2264

^^ author quotes USA Today

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By: Jeremy Aldrich

Jeremy Aldrich — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:28:14 +0000

Thanks Dave, got it. Hey, how’s your campaign on behalf of illegal fathers going?

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By: Dave Briggman

Dave Briggman — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 01:21:37 +0000

Jeremy, they’re not “undocumented”…they are ILLEGAL. I’m sure many of them have their consulate-issued IDs and most probably have their birth certificates from their homeland.

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By: Jeremy Aldrich

Jeremy Aldrich — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:37:32 +0000

Okey dokey…let me repeat my question: “can you find a source within the medical or hospital administration community who says that undocumented immigrants have caused even one hospital closing by overwhelming services?”
I saw nothing in any of those about hospitals closing or overwhelming services. I saw a doctor saying they couldn’t get reimbursed because the immigrants were not eligible for any medical aid, a hospital administrator complaining that her hospital got sued for forcibly deporting a poor man who had been crippled by an uninsured (American) drunk driver, and another fired hospital administrator who didn’t think his role as caring for indigents extended to undocumented immigrants, which was his job. The fourth link had no original or cited information on the topic and has nothing to do with this conversation.
Let’s look at these again:

1. People badly burned in natural disaster…if they had been anyone other than “illegals” the call would have been to HELP them pay their bills rather than blame them for not having money to get acute care. Notice the doctor is more upset at the system than the immigrants, and rightly so in my opinion.

2. Someone hit by an uninsured drunk driver is literally sent off to die by a private, profitable hospital that pays its executives $4 million a year. Again, if this had been a white guy it would have been the cause for a fundraiser, not a deportation.

3. Indigent services in Sacramento are for residents of Sacramento who can’t pay their bills. The guy did a crappy job heading up that section, was moved to another position he said was “too difficult”, got bad performance reviews and was fired. Umm…this is a hero for the anti-immigrant forces?

I like the way the NYTimes put it about the guy in Florida being caught in the collision of two deeply flawed American systems: health care and immigration. How true.

I’m still waiting for a source that connects hospital closings and undocumented immigrants, Draegn.

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By: JGFitzgerald

JGFitzgerald — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:34:29 +0000

Ask some people for a yes-or-no answer and their response is “fourteen.” Ask them for a number and they tell you they already know so they don’t have to tell you.

But … like … here’s a link.

OK.

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By: Brooke

Brooke — Tue, 12 Aug 2008 00:10:44 +0000

Link 1 – Doesn’t mention the hospital closing or even struggling to stay open.
Link 2 – Doesn’t mention the hospital, or any hospital, closing because of this.
Link 3 – Is from an anti-immigrant organization, so far from credible as a source, but again, while it mentions budget and staff cutbacks, doesn’t mention a hospital, any hospital, closing because of this. In fact, this is about a clinic, not a hospital
Link 4 – Not even going to go there after watching the last video, as it’s a site dedicated to anti-immigration, so far from a credible, unbiased source

You STILL have not provided one single, solitary link or source that backs up your previous claims about hospitals being forced to close, let alone one from a credible, unbiased source.

Free tip of the day: Cutting and pasting links does not evidence or a logical argument make.

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