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		<title>By: David Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 16:12:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seth

I don&#039;t ever vote along party lines, that would be against my values.  I still misunderstand your statement about open mindedness.  Sorry but feel free to elaborate.  I thought that you meant that when JG described the actual definition of Affirmative Action, you considered it to be a cop out.  Of which I did not.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seth</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t ever vote along party lines, that would be against my values.  I still misunderstand your statement about open mindedness.  Sorry but feel free to elaborate.  I thought that you meant that when JG described the actual definition of Affirmative Action, you considered it to be a cop out.  Of which I did not.
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		<title>By: seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 28 May 2009 15:41:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>miller,
if you ever seriously consider voting against party lines because the other guy&#039;s candidate is the better choice, let me know.

the statement wasn&#039;t meant to be an attack on anyone&#039;s humanity.  it was meant to point out the absurdity of the line of thinking that seems to say &#039;dems use minorities to provide valuable diversity while republicans just use them.&#039; (not to put words in anyone&#039;s mouth, but that really is what this sounded like).

or more simply put, if you&#039;re really convinced that your side is  the good guys and the other side is evil and bumbling incompetents, you could probably stand to reconsider your impartiality/ability to objectively find truth.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>miller,<br />
if you ever seriously consider voting against party lines because the other guy&#8217;s candidate is the better choice, let me know.</p>
<p>the statement wasn&#8217;t meant to be an attack on anyone&#8217;s humanity.  it was meant to point out the absurdity of the line of thinking that seems to say &#8216;dems use minorities to provide valuable diversity while republicans just use them.&#8217; (not to put words in anyone&#8217;s mouth, but that really is what this sounded like).</p>
<p>or more simply put, if you&#8217;re really convinced that your side is  the good guys and the other side is evil and bumbling incompetents, you could probably stand to reconsider your impartiality/ability to objectively find truth.
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		<title>By: David Miller</title>
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		<dc:creator>David Miller</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 May 2009 11:17:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;what’s sad is that you guys really seem to think you’re open minded.&quot;

This isn&#039;t an argument or point to bring up, it&#039;s just a way to discredit your opponent&#039;s argument or point by attacking their humanity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;what’s sad is that you guys really seem to think you’re open minded.&#8221;</p>
<p>This isn&#8217;t an argument or point to bring up, it&#8217;s just a way to discredit your opponent&#8217;s argument or point by attacking their humanity.
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		<title>By: Bubby Hussein, Hillbilly Sheikh</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bubby Hussein, Hillbilly Sheikh</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 18:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I suspect that this Orndorff boy is sort of like Steele or Palin - celebrating their great good fortune to have finally been recognized for their brilliance and rewarded with the position they deserve.  A whole book was written about it 40 years ago - &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Peter Principle&lt;/a&gt;.

Steele had previously been chair of the Maryland Republicans, so when the national Republican Party committed themselves to becoming a xenophobic white mensclub they elevated Michael Steele for plausible deniability.  They didn&#039;t figure on his confident ambition - he fired the staff and remade the Committee organization in his own dysfunctional loopy style. He attacked Lord Limbaugh!  The Republicans were looking for outside-the-box, and they got off-the-reservation-and-not-taking-any-calls.

Republicans worship authority, hierarchy, and obedience and tend to promote the good disciples.  That&#039;s how we got Michael Brown the horseshow lawyer running FEMA.  That&#039;s how Valley Republicans were gifted field rep. Orndorff by the RNC.

It could work out for them.  The Valley is the last citadel of reliable Republican wingnuttery.  Jim Gilmore proved that if you put an &quot;R&quot; in front of your name, join &quot;no&quot;, a noun and the word &quot;tax&quot; on a bumpersticker a majority of people will vote against the better candidate.  Valley Republicans will solemnly tell you that if only Palin had headed the presidential ticket... These are people that voted down a meals tax on tourists in favor of raising their property taxes.  So Orndorff may gain traction with his claim that Creigh Deeds is suspected of dressing like a West Virginian.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I suspect that this Orndorff boy is sort of like Steele or Palin &#8211; celebrating their great good fortune to have finally been recognized for their brilliance and rewarded with the position they deserve.  A whole book was written about it 40 years ago &#8211; <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Principle" rel="nofollow">The Peter Principle</a>.</p>
<p>Steele had previously been chair of the Maryland Republicans, so when the national Republican Party committed themselves to becoming a xenophobic white mensclub they elevated Michael Steele for plausible deniability.  They didn&#8217;t figure on his confident ambition &#8211; he fired the staff and remade the Committee organization in his own dysfunctional loopy style. He attacked Lord Limbaugh!  The Republicans were looking for outside-the-box, and they got off-the-reservation-and-not-taking-any-calls.</p>
<p>Republicans worship authority, hierarchy, and obedience and tend to promote the good disciples.  That&#8217;s how we got Michael Brown the horseshow lawyer running FEMA.  That&#8217;s how Valley Republicans were gifted field rep. Orndorff by the RNC.</p>
<p>It could work out for them.  The Valley is the last citadel of reliable Republican wingnuttery.  Jim Gilmore proved that if you put an &#8220;R&#8221; in front of your name, join &#8220;no&#8221;, a noun and the word &#8220;tax&#8221; on a bumpersticker a majority of people will vote against the better candidate.  Valley Republicans will solemnly tell you that if only Palin had headed the presidential ticket&#8230; These are people that voted down a meals tax on tourists in favor of raising their property taxes.  So Orndorff may gain traction with his claim that Creigh Deeds is suspected of dressing like a West Virginian.
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:34:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And by the way Seth, my opinion that the Republicans selected Steele because he was black wasn&#039;t formed until after I heard him talk several times and heard things the Republicans had to say about him. Like I said, I don&#039;t have this opinion just because they selected a leader that happens to be black. Just like I didn&#039;t believe they picked Palin because she was a woman until I saw more of her and realized she was such a horrible choice, and there was seemingly no other reason to have picked her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And by the way Seth, my opinion that the Republicans selected Steele because he was black wasn&#8217;t formed until after I heard him talk several times and heard things the Republicans had to say about him. Like I said, I don&#8217;t have this opinion just because they selected a leader that happens to be black. Just like I didn&#8217;t believe they picked Palin because she was a woman until I saw more of her and realized she was such a horrible choice, and there was seemingly no other reason to have picked her.
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		<title>By: Renee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Renee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:22:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wasn&#039;t putting down Steele himself and his past history, since I don&#039;t know it, which is why I clarified I only know him from TV interviews (which is how most people know most politicians) - I was putting down his performance as RNC chair, especially the Republicans&#039; perceived (lack of) backing of him. He has not seemed in public to represent what the R party said they selected him for. 

Also, when he said something negative about Rush L., many Republicans seemed to pit them against one another and side with Rush, showing that there wasn&#039;t a whole lot of party-member support for Steele in the first place, making one wonder why they chose him.

The Steele-Palin comparison is just what I was thinking. I truly believe the Republicans picked Palin because she was a woman, and they would&#039;ve picked any seemingly-competent woman (look how little they knew about her when she was chosen, and she was in the middle of a legal battle), and they believed they could get some disappointed Hillary voters to switch sides because of how she appeared. A lot of politics has to do with initial perceptions.

When a party only half-backs the things that their chosen leader says, it makes you wonder why they put him in that position in the first place. I wouldn&#039;t be saying these things if their chosen leader was a strong one with obvious party support, great public presence, and someone they appeared proud of selecting, and happened to be black. Because of my impression of how the GOP has treated Steele, I feel they selected him mainly because of his skin color, hoping to win over some minority supporters.

Think about it - why was Iowa&#039;s choice of Barack Obama in the primary so surprising to the country? It sure wasn&#039;t the African-American population that swayed the vote there!

And I don&#039;t know any black people would&#039;ve voted for Obama if he was incompetent, so it&#039;s not just the color of a person&#039;s skin that matters to minority voters. They shouldn&#039;t confuse the pride that people in the black community have that an African-American was elected president with the notion that his skin color is the only reason minorities voted for him.

And with their selection of this young blogger Orndorff locally. Seeing what he is already using his official capacity to say, he is not going to win them over any new independent-minded young voters, and they shouldn&#039;t think young people will immediately resonate with him since he&#039;s young and has a strong online presence.

Someone in the R party needs to explain to whoever makes these selections that it&#039;s the SUBSTANCE of the person, and their ability to talk to people &#039;for real&#039; and not in political-speak that new voters are likely to form their opinion on.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wasn&#8217;t putting down Steele himself and his past history, since I don&#8217;t know it, which is why I clarified I only know him from TV interviews (which is how most people know most politicians) &#8211; I was putting down his performance as RNC chair, especially the Republicans&#8217; perceived (lack of) backing of him. He has not seemed in public to represent what the R party said they selected him for. </p>
<p>Also, when he said something negative about Rush L., many Republicans seemed to pit them against one another and side with Rush, showing that there wasn&#8217;t a whole lot of party-member support for Steele in the first place, making one wonder why they chose him.</p>
<p>The Steele-Palin comparison is just what I was thinking. I truly believe the Republicans picked Palin because she was a woman, and they would&#8217;ve picked any seemingly-competent woman (look how little they knew about her when she was chosen, and she was in the middle of a legal battle), and they believed they could get some disappointed Hillary voters to switch sides because of how she appeared. A lot of politics has to do with initial perceptions.</p>
<p>When a party only half-backs the things that their chosen leader says, it makes you wonder why they put him in that position in the first place. I wouldn&#8217;t be saying these things if their chosen leader was a strong one with obvious party support, great public presence, and someone they appeared proud of selecting, and happened to be black. Because of my impression of how the GOP has treated Steele, I feel they selected him mainly because of his skin color, hoping to win over some minority supporters.</p>
<p>Think about it &#8211; why was Iowa&#8217;s choice of Barack Obama in the primary so surprising to the country? It sure wasn&#8217;t the African-American population that swayed the vote there!</p>
<p>And I don&#8217;t know any black people would&#8217;ve voted for Obama if he was incompetent, so it&#8217;s not just the color of a person&#8217;s skin that matters to minority voters. They shouldn&#8217;t confuse the pride that people in the black community have that an African-American was elected president with the notion that his skin color is the only reason minorities voted for him.</p>
<p>And with their selection of this young blogger Orndorff locally. Seeing what he is already using his official capacity to say, he is not going to win them over any new independent-minded young voters, and they shouldn&#8217;t think young people will immediately resonate with him since he&#8217;s young and has a strong online presence.</p>
<p>Someone in the R party needs to explain to whoever makes these selections that it&#8217;s the SUBSTANCE of the person, and their ability to talk to people &#8216;for real&#8217; and not in political-speak that new voters are likely to form their opinion on.
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		<title>By: seth</title>
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		<dc:creator>seth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 16:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what&#039;s sad is that you guys really seem to think you&#039;re open minded.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what&#8217;s sad is that you guys really seem to think you&#8217;re open minded.
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		<title>By: Lowell</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lowell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:55:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Not a matter of belief Seth, simply a recognition of sad reality.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not a matter of belief Seth, simply a recognition of sad reality.
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		<dc:creator>JGFitzgerald</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 May 2009 15:48:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Affirmative action: if there are two or more equally qualified candidates for a position, and one of them is a member of an under-represented group, then let said membership be the deciding factor. That&#039;s a long way from tokenism, although affirmative action is often seen differently by white males who long for the days when they automatically got such positions, and assume anyone else is less qualified.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Affirmative action: if there are two or more equally qualified candidates for a position, and one of them is a member of an under-represented group, then let said membership be the deciding factor. That&#8217;s a long way from tokenism, although affirmative action is often seen differently by white males who long for the days when they automatically got such positions, and assume anyone else is less qualified.
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