Obenshain, Hanger Co-sponsor “Umbilical Bill”

Brent Finnegan -- January 21st, 2010

State Senators Mark Obenshain and Emmett Hanger are two of several patrons of a bill that defines the “independent and separate existence” of an infant regardless of whether the umbilical cord has been cut. WSVA reports:

Several Valley state legislators have sponsored a bill in which killing an infant that is still attached to its mother by an umbilical cord would become a murder and punishable by imprisonment. Campbell County Virginia law enforcement officials were frustrated in December when they could not charge a woman that suffocated her child while it was still attached to her by umbilical cord and placenta.

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58 Responses to “Obenshain, Hanger Co-sponsor “Umbilical Bill””

  1. Simply put, this is not exactly the time to start pursuing such laws when we have much bigger issues to tackle that are of immediate importance (budget, anyone?).

    I believe that abortion is between a woman and her doctor to a certain extent. While I personally do not believe it is a good thing except in cases such as rape/incest/mother’s health at risk…I have no problems with women being able to make those decisions for themselves.

    I do believe that partial-birth abortions (except when saving a mother’s life) is infanticide. I also think that if a baby is born (passed through the canal), that baby is now alive, and suffocating the baby (even if still connected by the cord) is murder. Even pro-choice advocates say “life begins at birth”…suffocating a baby that was born, even with the cord connected, is “post-birth”, so I don’t see where the contention is here.

    Outside of those issues above, I don’t see where abortion should be something banned by the government…nor should it be funded. It’s not the government’s place to do so.

  2. Dave Briggman says:

    And today comes news that the U.S. Pregnancy Rate is up for the first time in TWO DECADES.

    http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.efd4e61c5f7640532d11aae7a1186e02.421&show_article=1

  3. BANDIT says:

    I hope the Dad will pay child support… if they don’t get married.

  4. seth says:

    lisa,
    wow doesn’t begin to express what i feel when i get that kind of smugness from folks like you. i’ve been accused of being argumentative more than once in these forums and often with good cause. however, on this thread, i feel like i’ve civilly represented some of the most reasonable objections to the current status quo of our abortion policy and all the while maintained that while i very much understand people’s objections to abortion, i also understand that it is necessary for it to be safe and legal in our society.
    all this in spite of the fact that the bill we’re supposedly discussing in this thread has nothing at all to do with abortion or murder (and because it may help give some context, i do see the slippery slope of things like the unborn victims of violence act (that is, while i see that and the current laws of 35 states who treat the killing of a fetus as homicide as perfectly reasonable in and of themselves, i do believe that there are those who would attempt to use such legislation as a means to erode access to abortion (and that’s a bad (or at least shadily manipulative) thing)).

    seriously, the bill we’re talking about has nothing whatsoever to do with abortion, or murder.

    when brooke made a comment on the 21st stating that she’d read the bill and that ‘it does seem that this is indeed addressing issues where an infant that has been birthed alive, not seeking to give fetuses legal standing,’ i assumed that because she had read the thing, she probably had a pretty good idea of what she was talking about and that other commenters who were hell bent on insisting that this was just the latest republican attempt to erode personal liberties would probably arrive at the same assumption and feel a need for at least some cursory level of justification if they intended to keep spouting conspiracy theory. you know what they say about assumptions.

    please read the bill. please note that as brooke noted, it is an amendment to existing legislation. please note that it is being added to a section entitled ‘abuse and neglect of children; penalty; abandoned infant.’ please note that the maximum penalty that could be assessed is a class 6 felony (imprisonment for one to five years or jail for up to 12 months and a fine of up to $2,500, either or both (of course, willfully smothering an infant might bump it up to a class 2. one of our legal minded friends would probably be much more qualified to comment on that)). in short, please note that the bill has nothing at all to do with abortion and would only relate to murder in the case of a murder.

    in response to those who seem to think that our legislative schedule is just too full to deal with this kind of frivolous tarrying, i would suggest that you read the bill. it’s something that clearly needs to be established. and really, it wouldn’t require much debate at all if folks like lisa would open their minds (or at least some sort of source) before opening their mouths.

  5. BANDIT says:

    seth (jesse),
    You take things way too serious…just like on CC, if someone disagrees with you , you are right back defending your stance the next day….CHILL brother!

  6. Dave Briggman says:

    I hope the baby’s mother doesn’t give herself payday loans at the expense of taxpayer funds…surely you can agree on this, Bandit?

  7. Um. Seth is not Jessie, “Bandit.”

    Unlike some commenters, Seth is actually using his real name.

  8. BANDIT says:

    OK, sorry about that!

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